The blog wars are out of control right now. First Powerline Blog made a point to publicly de-link Little Green Footballs:
We have slightly updated our blogroll for the first time time in a long time. We have deleted Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs. We long ago stopped reading LGF Suffice it to say (suffice it for me to say, anyway) that Charles’s political inclinations and interests now diverge widely from our own.
The public de-linking and addition of Gateway pundit prompted the following comment by Charles in one of his comment threads [emphasis in red added]:
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OK, I just read his delinking post. He removed LGF and added Gateway Pundit? I started laughing when I read that.
That’s right. Pathetic, isn’t it? They’re hitching their wagon to a borderline illiterate bigot who thinks it’s the height of wit to post pictures of Obama as Hitler.
Good riddance. They’re removed from my links too.
This is on top of a bitter exchange over the alleged racism of Robert Stacy McCain. You can follow that exchange by visiting the following links:
Now Charles has reported that he has removed all links to Pajamas Media because, among other reasons, they are headlining a McCain article on their front page:
I’ve removed all links to Pajamas Media from LGF.
Wow. Didn’t Charles co-found Pajamas Media? It is startling to see how much has changed over the years.
We find this whole sordid mess completely depressing. We here at Founding Bloggers consider ourselves friends with almost everyone involved in this fight, and we hate to see all this pixelated blood spilled.
Because Founding Bloggers has, at one time or another, advertised on almost all of the websites involved, and because we have personally worked with many of the people connected to this issue, we have decided that this is an appropriate moment to chime in with at least one point. It is our sincere hope not to inject ourselves into the middle of this, again because we have profound respect for many of the people involved in this fight, including Charles Johnson, but it is our experience with these people that compels us to offer at least one observation.
Jim Hoft of Gateway Pundit is not a “borderline illiterate bigot.” We have worked with Jim on several projects dating back a couple of years, and our personal experience with him is nothing short of a complete pleasure. We have seen exactly zero indication of either illiteracy, or bigotry. Jim has never displayed even the slightest hint of any form of bigotry or hatred, other than towards Jihadis and people who support them (think Code Pink).
Every personal experience we have ever had with Jim Hoft has revealed him to be a world-class gentleman with a terrific sense of humor. He’s a guy who is fun to work with and be around.
If Jim Hoft is a bigot, he is the kind who appears to enjoy the company of Jews, black people, and anti-jihad Muslims. In fact, we would go so far as to say, and others would likely agree, the Jewish and anti-Jihad Muslim community has a tremendous friend in Jim Hoft. That’s some bigot.
As for Robert Stacy McCain, we have met him on two occasions, the second being when he base camped with the rest of the PJTV crew, at the Founding Bloggers HQ in Denver during the Democrat Convention last year.
We would have to echo Steven Green’s comments in his response to Charles:
So, is Robert Stacy McCain a white supremacist? Hell if I know. But he enjoys breaking bread with agnostic half Jews like me, which would certainly make him a different kind of white supremacist.
That being said, we would like to hear more from Robert about his comments on interracial marriage, as well as some of the other accusations made in this article. If the comments attributed to him are accurate, they are disturbing.
“[T]he media now force interracial images into the public mind and a number of perfectly rational people react to these images with an altogether natural revulsion. The white person who does not mind transacting business with a black bank clerk may yet be averse to accepting the clerk as his sister-in-law, and THIS IS NOT RACISM, no matter what Madison Avenue, Hollywood and Washington tell us.”
Yes, you read that right: a “natural revulsion” and “THIS IS NOT RACISM.”
That was posted by Robert Stacy McCain (who has contributed to New York Press in the past) on a website called Reclaiming the South. The Washington Times editor posts a lot on the right-wing FreeRepublic.com as well, using an assumed name (BurkeCalhounDabney) but often linking back to his personal website, where there are photos of him and the rest of his large family of Seventh Day Adventists (and which identifies him by his real name and as a Washington Times editor). Editor McCain, who hails from Rome, GA, is one of those Confederate types who still hasn’t gotten over the Civil War and is trying to get the South to secede. He’s a member of a Southern secessionist organization called League of the South. Here’s a quote from that group’s leader, Michael Hill:
“The day of Southern guilt is over–THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT–and let us not forget that salient fact. NO APOLOGIES FOR SLAVERY should be made. In both the Old and New Testaments slavery is sanctioned and regulated according to God’s word. Thus, when practiced in accord with Holy Scripture, it is NOT A SIN.
We want to add that one of the aspects that is so frustrating about this particular blog war, is what is getting lost in the shuffle. Charles is making some extremely valid points that need to be critically examined.
We do not want our defense of Jim Hoft to serve as an excuse to pile on Charles Johnson. We would rather turn it into a chance to bring some attention to the things LGF has been writing about with which we vehemently agree.
He has devoted more than one post to the Obama-Hitler signs on display at Tea Parties. We, too, find them disgusting and counterproductive, and have said so publicly. See the video below, which we produced from the Chicago Tax Day Tea Party.
Charles is correct about this, and we really wish people would stop it with the Hitler crap.
Also, this blog believes Charles is 100% correct when it comes to teaching creationism as science in public schools. We fully support teaching it as a philosophy, and we also believe private institutions should be free to teach it as science if they want, even if it is not what we consider to be the correct or intelligent choice. But we have backed Charles on this issue in the past, and continue to be against teaching creationism as science in public classrooms.
That being said, creationists should be defended to the end for the right to believe what they want to, so long as they do not tread on me.
People ought to also remember that Charles has been plenty right about a whole lot of things in the past. It seems to us unwise and completely unwarranted to write him off over these disagreements. You may disagree with the behavior of anyone and everyone in the blog war, but in the words of Rodney King: can’t we all just get along? After all Charles has contributed to what we all know as the blogosphere, his opinions about associations with possible fascists, his critique of what he sees in the Tea Party movement, and his criticisms of the Nirther movement, deserve to be weighed with the respect he has earned.
We spoke at great length with RS McCain today, and we are satisfied with what he had to say about the above comments. To sum up, here is what he told us:
1) The quote about interracial marriage is taken out of context, and is more about ethnographic-genetic philosophy than race (our conclusion). While we personally do not accept the premise being discussed in the quote, to the degree which we can divine intent, we do not feel that McCain’s motive was any kind of overt racism. It is possible to be wrong on issues related to race without being racist. Some people will probably disagree with that conclusion but there you are.
2) The quote on slavery is not his, and he rejects slavery. Let’s repeat that…RS McCain rejects slavery. So far, if he is a racist, he’s not a proud one like David Duke or Louis Farrakhan, as is evidenced by his extensive attempt to distance himself from the very things he is accused of embracing.
3) RS McCain appears to be an unapologetic supporter of the memory of the Confederacy. We might be naive, but again, his motive appears to have much more to do with a philosophy about the federal government vis-a-vis states’ rights. It is immoral to suggest that the states have a right to hold slaves, and McCain goes out of his way to reiterate he does not support slavery, a point he feels silly making in his own defense. Since we do not believe the Civil War was exclusively about slavery, we can see how someone might sympathize with the Confederate position while not being racist. We here at Founding Bloggers do not have any fondness for the Confederacy, but we very much believe in the rights of others to hold opinions which are at odds with our own beliefs.
Recently McCain has been accused of being a “white supremacist blogger.” We have been looking over his site, and have found absolutely no content that would support this characterization. Please notify us immediately if anyone finds content to the contrary.
We have spent a great deal of time on this matter and spoken with many people to glean their judgment and wisdom on this matter. The consensus from people who know him far better than we do is that RS McCain might be many things (and there were some humorous off color adjectives), but racist is not one that comes to mind of anyone we spoke with.
Lastly, recently we have been asked to de-link this person or that person for various crimes against blogmanity related to this fight. We refuse to de-link anyone. This blog prides itself on staying connected to views and opinions we agree with and ones we do not agree with. Take a look at our blogroll and you will see that we even link to Daily Kos, even though much of what comes out of there is sewage. Please do not look at our blogroll as any kind of endorsement or sanction. We link to lots of people for lots of reasons, and reflexively react negatively to persuasion to de-link anyone.
There you go. We hope this puts the matter to rest, although we are nearly certain it will not.